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 Post subject: loggerlike JEMO becomes 2m-schooner DE WYLDE SWAN
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Dear Friends,

the works to convert JEMO to a 2-mast gaff-schooner have started. I have been approached by her owner for old pictures, plans and other information. Can anyone help us out? I know about the picture within the Shetland Museum and about the picture of Olav Opedal in the book of Da Bakka Jr., how can the owner get a copy? I have also asked my german friends for help.

regards from Bremen

Tham

that is what I have noted down on her:

11.05.1920 launched | 08.1920 delivered as steamtrawler Bromberg, callsign NHSM, by Deutsche Werke AG, Werk Kiel, Kiel, Germany, NB 52, 227 GRT 86 NRT, 36.35 x 7.40 x 2.93 x (3.90) m, engine: steam 3c 50hp, for Wilhelmshavener Hochseefischerei AG, Rüstringen, Germany | 07.1921 sold to C. Andersen, Kiel | 09.1921 renamed Ursula, homeport Rüstringen, Germany | 12.1925 lengthened, now 40.75 x 7.40 x 2.89 x (3.90) m, 256 GRT 100 NRT | 01.01.1934 callsign DNDD | 07.1938 sold to breakers in Germany | 06.1939 empty hull sold to Walter Michaelis, Riga, homeport moved to Hamburg, Germany, renamed Hariet, homeport Hamburg | 13.09.1940 after rebuilding and installation of new engine MAN (made 1939) 4s6c 300hp 9kn at yard of Wilhelm Holst, Hamburg, new tonnage 261 GRT 135 NRT 350 tdw | 07.1940 aquired by Deutsche Kriegsmarine (German Navy) | 1941 Kriegsmarine-Torpedotransport, Arsenal, Horten, Norway | 21.12.1942 homeport Gotenhafen, Germany | 16.02.1946 Hariet, callsign LMKN, Norwegian Government, Direktoratet for Fiendtlig Eiendom, Oslo, Norway | 01.1949 laid up in Haugesund | 07.1949 sold for nkr 165000 to Knut and Hilmar Helgesen, Vedavågen, renamed Are, homeport Kopervik, Norway, modernized at Haugesunds Slip with new wheelhouse and interieur installed, 262 GRT 350 tdw | 1952 rebuilt, now 280 GRT | 08.1960 sold for nkr 350000 to Einar Oldervoll m fl, renamed Gaupøy, homeport moved to Bergen, Norway | 1965 new engine installed: Aabenraa Motorfabrik, Heinrich Callesen A/S, Diesel 4s5c 400hp | 02.1974 sold to Morten Johannessen, Kopervik, Norway, and further to Jan Øyvind Johannessen, renamed Jemo, homeport moved to Kopervik, Norway, rebuilt as sandtransporter, now 264 GRT 350 tdw | 25.05.1982 sold to Hans H. Vea, Vedavågen, homeport Kopervik, Norway | 05.1986 sold to Sinus Bulk Shipping A/S, Sandnes, homeport Kopervik, Norway | 09.1986 registered for PR Jemo (Sinus Bulk Shipping A/S, Sandnes) , homeport Kopervik, Norway | 05.1988 sold to Bærøy Sandtransport A/S (Endre Bærøy, Finnås), homeport Kopervik, Norway | 10.1995 new tonnage: 263 GT 117 NT | 02.1998 Det Norske Seilskuterederiet A/S, Oslo, homeport Kopervik, Norway | 08.1999 sold to Chris Woestenburg, Netherlands, and sold further to Capt. Willem Slichting, owner of Swan van Makkum | 2006 conversion to 2-mast schooner started in Harlingen, Netherlands, to be renamed De Wylde Swan, due to come in service 2009


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 Post subject: Re: loggerlike JEMO becomes 2m-schooner DE WYLDE SWAN
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Dear Friends,

the works to convert JEMO to a 2-mast gaff-schooner have started. I have been approached by her owner for old pictures, plans and other information. Can anyone help us out? I know about the picture within the Shetland Museum and about the picture of Olav Opedal in the book of Da Bakka Jr., how can the owner get a copy? I have also asked my german friends for help.

regards from Bremen

Tham

that is what I have noted down on her:

11.05.1920 launched | 08.1920 delivered as steamtrawler Bromberg, callsign NHSM, by Deutsche Werke AG, Werk Kiel, Kiel, Germany, NB 52, 227 GRT 86 NRT, 36.35 x 7.40 x 2.93 x (3.90) m, engine: steam 3c 50hp, for Wilhelmshavener Hochseefischerei AG, Rüstringen, Germany | 07.1921 sold to C. Andersen, Kiel | 09.1921 renamed Ursula, homeport Rüstringen, Germany | 12.1925 lengthened, now 40.75 x 7.40 x 2.89 x (3.90) m, 256 GRT 100 NRT | 01.01.1934 callsign DNDD | 07.1938 sold to breakers in Germany | 06.1939 empty hull sold to Walter Michaelis, Riga, homeport moved to Hamburg, Germany, renamed Hariet, homeport Hamburg | 13.09.1940 after rebuilding and installation of new engine MAN (made 1939) 4s6c 300hp 9kn at yard of Wilhelm Holst, Hamburg, new tonnage 261 GRT 135 NRT 350 tdw | 07.1940 aquired by Deutsche Kriegsmarine (German Navy) | 1941 Kriegsmarine-Torpedotransport, Arsenal, Horten, Norway | 21.12.1942 homeport Gotenhafen, Germany | 16.02.1946 Hariet, callsign LMKN, Norwegian Government, Direktoratet for Fiendtlig Eiendom, Oslo, Norway | 01.1949 laid up in Haugesund | 07.1949 sold for nkr 165000 to Knut and Hilmar Helgesen, Vedavågen, renamed Are, homeport Kopervik, Norway, modernized at Haugesunds Slip with new wheelhouse and interieur installed, 262 GRT 350 tdw | 1952 rebuilt, now 280 GRT | 08.1960 sold for nkr 350000 to Einar Oldervoll m fl, renamed Gaupøy, homeport moved to Bergen, Norway | 1965 new engine installed: Aabenraa Motorfabrik, Heinrich Callesen A/S, Diesel 4s5c 400hp | 02.1974 sold to Morten Johannessen, Kopervik, Norway, and further to Jan Øyvind Johannessen, renamed Jemo, homeport moved to Kopervik, Norway, rebuilt as sandtransporter, now 264 GRT 350 tdw | 25.05.1982 sold to Hans H. Vea, Vedavågen, homeport Kopervik, Norway | 05.1986 sold to Sinus Bulk Shipping A/S, Sandnes, homeport Kopervik, Norway | 09.1986 registered for PR Jemo (Sinus Bulk Shipping A/S, Sandnes) , homeport Kopervik, Norway | 05.1988 sold to Bærøy Sandtransport A/S (Endre Bærøy, Finnås), homeport Kopervik, Norway | 10.1995 new tonnage: 263 GT 117 NT | 02.1998 Det Norske Seilskuterederiet A/S, Oslo, homeport Kopervik, Norway | 08.1999 sold to Chris Woestenburg, Netherlands, and sold further to Capt. Willem Slichting, owner of Swan van Makkum | 2006 conversion to 2-mast schooner started in Harlingen, Netherlands, to be renamed De Wylde Swan, due to come in service 2009
Sorry, but I don't like what your friend have done with this old lady. Not so long time ago, the ship was a piece of history, now all i destroyed for ever. This ship have never bin an sailing wessel. I have seen enough of this "kind of sailing wessels". And I`m not alone in Norway thinking the same.... :evil: :twisted: :twisted: Link: http://www.stp-norway.com/Forum/viewtop ... 9&start=15


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Got to support Wicmann on this one. Sorry.


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I can understand your anger and manage enough norwegian to read the mentioned thread about JEMO, which was known to me as I am quite frequently in this forum. Yes I would also have preferred her as she was, but if I would have to choose between new life as sailing ship or being scrapped I would take the sailing vessel to keep her. Or were there other alternatives? This summer I had the pleasure to meet Trygve and his friends working on EKAR and we were discussing the same matter. VESTFRAKT was just sold to Holland and the sale was still pending to the approval of the riksantiquar.

I hope DE WYLDE SWAN will be a nice sailing vessel. The owner has some years ago used a tug for conversion to a sailing vessel, and I still regard the JACOB MEINDERT as one of the beautfulliest sailing vessel among the dutch charter fleet. Nice rigg, no ugly deckshouses and sailing fast, it is difficult to believe, that she was a tugboat before. If Willem Slighting is doing the same good job with former JEMO, I am looking forward to it.

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Tham wrote:
I can understand your anger and manage enough norwegian to read the mentioned thread about JEMO, which was known to me as I am quite frequently in this forum. Yes I would also have preferred her as she was, but if I would have to choose between new life as sailing ship or being scrapped I would take the sailing vessel to keep her. Or were there other alternatives? This summer I had the pleasure to meet Trygve and his friends working on EKAR and we were discussing the same matter. VESTFRAKT was just sold to Holland and the sale was still pending to the approval of the riksantiquar.

I hope DE WYLDE SWAN will be a nice sailing vessel. The owner has some years ago used a tug for conversion to a sailing vessel, and I still regard the JACOB MEINDERT as one of the beautfulliest sailing vessel among the dutch charter fleet. Nice rigg, no ugly deckshouses and sailing fast, it is difficult to believe, that she was a tugboat before. If Willem Slighting is doing the same good job with former JEMO, I am looking forward to it.

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Tham
She was in very good condition i Norway, far too good to be Scraped. But afte many years without care, she was i not so good condition. I still don like the rebuilding to sailing wessel. Ok so you also got Vestfraft, what is the next ship to be sold to international market, Gokstadskipet, Fram, Kongeskipet Norge.... This is out of controll. http://www.stp-norway.com/Forum/viewtop ... =vestfrakt


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To me, its coming to a point where I dont care if parts of the hull lives on. This has nothing to do with restoration or history, its just recycling. Scrapping would be just as good recycling (when I see what kind of silly king poodle it was possible to transform a beautiful vessel like ØRN into, I also think scrapping would be a nobler fate).

Also; why should I help detail out JEMOs norwegian history for an owner who manage to reduce the intact vessel with all this history present into a stripped hull? Why is it of interest to know that the teakfronted wheelhouse was built at Haugesund Slip in 1949 before its smashed to pieces?

Sorry for the harsh words, Tham, it has nothing to do with you. It was really nice to visit your beautiful restored logger VEGESACK BV2 this summer and as I said I hope to buy you a beer in Bötcherstrasse next time Im in Bremen.


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My support to Trygve and Wichmann


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I think it's a bit strange with people who are building something out of a ship that it's never been, some of them still call it a "restoration". And still; why are the so interested in the history of the ship that they are destroying? I can't see why they even care?

Some are very proud if their ship has a important history from the world war and things like that, even if its only the keel that remains the same, and the ship doesn't have anyting itself that can tell and witness the history...

(sorry for my poor english)


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With all repect to your opinions I just want to put thing into perspective, going approximately 50 years back in time.

In the mid 50`s many Norwegians went abroad to acquire larger ships. The demand came after prosperous herring fishery in the North Sea and around Iceland but also the coastal trade. There were many ships abroad that would be perfect for a conversion, most popular was the English drifters and the Dutch/German loggers. Many of these ships where already fifty years old but the hulls were strong and seaworthy, they could carry a considerable load of cargo. Some originated as steam ships and some as sailing vessels. At the time most of them were fitted with engines. Although most of them already had been converted from fishing vessels into coasters the conversions where rather old fashion and required a large crew. Some even had sails to keep a cheap insurance.

The Norwegians aquiring these ships all knew that to keep up with the competitors they had to do a considerable modernisation on the vessel. This roughly meant rebuilding everything except the hull. Some even lenghtened that at a later stage. The result of the conversions was as we know very successful and they became ships we adapted and loved for years to come.

As the breed is disappearing I understand the frustration, but the arguments about them being converted to something they have never been is a paradox as that happened also fifty years ago. I know the circumstances of Jemo came to Norway is different to the general story above but never the less.

As for the conversion of these ships to sailing vessels, there is a chance that their lives again will bring income to their owners, pleasures to passengers onboard and hopefully questions about the ships history is raised. If the ship was scrapped it would soon be forgotten except by the enthusiasts like you, that is still alive. :roll:

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